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So much for the new CBA being signed on Thursday. Who has been the bigger jerk in the past 24-48 hours, the players or the owners?

July 22

No CBA: Who has been the bigger jerk in the past 24-48 hours, the players or the owners?

We all thought football was saved. When the NFL owners finished up their 2-hour lunch and voted 31-0 (Al Davis abstaining, of course, because it was daytime so he couldn't go outside since he melts in the sun), we all thought the CBA was a done deal.

Well, at least the people on Twitter thought so. From what I read in my timeline, all of us football fans were happy - until, that is, the NFL players alerted the media that they would not be voting on the CBA on Thursday night, and according to George Wilson, perhaps not on Friday night either.

The NFL players haven't had enough time to look at the document. That's fair. However, players like New Orleans' Heath Evans, Jacksonville's Mike Sims-Walker and Buffalo's George Wilson expressed their frustration via Twitter and the actual media, citing that the NFL owners have deceived them by putting stuff into the CBA that was never agreed upon.

So, are the NFL owners sly douche bags who put pressure on the NFL players as a PR move? Perhaps. But something isn't right. Evans and Wilson complained about new stuff being in the CBA, yet they say they haven't even seen it. Evans admitted as much on NFL Network. Wilson, meanwhile, was asked repeatedly by Paul Burmeister why he couldn't, in his own words, take the new agreement to his teammates. Wilson ducked Burmeister's question each time. I watched the interview with my dad as we were eating dinner. The third time Wilson avoided the question, my dad bellowed, "F*** you, a**hole, you're not answering because you're a f***ing liar!"

Here's my take on all of this nonsense - the owners did in fact use Thursday's stunt as a PR move, but it wouldn't make sense for them to change the agreement of the CBA. I just believe that the NFL players feel disrespected that the owners did it this way, and they may unfortunately delay voting on this CBA out of pure stubbornness.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Some NFL players often don't take to kindly to being disrespected because they believe respect should be served to them on a silver platter. However, we can only hope that they see the bigger picture - that they make money playing football, and they're going to lose their fan base - and as a consequence, their money - each day they delay signing this CBA.

As I tweeted (@walterfootball), "NFL players want more money. NFL players want fewer practices. I'd be happy just to play football for a living. #wewantfootball."

TRcasTitans31 quickly replied to me, "Owners want more money and slipped unapproved things into the CBA, I'd be happy just to be a billionaire. Works both ways." Not quite. The owners own the teams. They can do whatever they want. It's their business. NFL players, meanwhile, don't have to play football. They're free to sell insurance, drive trucks or flip hamburgers. No one's forcing them to play football, despite what Adrian Peterson may think.

But the NFL players won't sell insurance, drive trucks or flip hambugers because they have a far better job than 99.9 percent of the people in America. But for some reason, they just don't seem to realize that.

That's my take. I think the NFL players are the bigger jerks, but don't let me sway you either way. Vote on whom you think is the bigger jerk, and discuss it in the comment board below the poll.

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No CBA: Who has been the bigger jerk this past 24-48 hours?

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Jeff Backus 07-22-2011 10:09 am xxx.xxx.xxx.130 (total posts: 1)

It's okay guys, I'm a really good left tackle.

John 07-22-2011 09:52 am xxx.xxx.xxx88.9 (total posts: 1)

In the last 48? Definitely the players, but overall, the burden of jerkdom belongs to both sides.

Anthony 07-22-2011 09:32 am xxx.xxx.xxx.133 (total posts: 1)

The owners as a whole are jerks for publicly accepting a deal that the players didn't want and backing them into a corner. The players as a whole are not jerks, but there are a select couple that are HUGE jerks, most notably Vincent Jackson. Is this guy seriously gonna hold up the season just so he can get 10 mill? He doesn't even deserve it.

KcChiefs 07-22-2011 09:28 am xxx.xxx.xxx.202 (total posts: 1)

Owners are the jerks for starting the whole thing, players for making it continue.

Matthew 07-22-2011 08:54 am xxx.xxx.xxx1.66 (total posts: 2)

Well, its official. It has been agreed by both EA Sports and the gamers. There will in fact be a full Madden 12 season.

Josh 07-22-2011 08:50 am xxx.xxx.xxx.184 (total posts: 1)

Why the hell couldn't they just extend the old CBA until they drew up a new one??

ironduke 07-22-2011 08:48 am xxx.xxx.xxx.169 (total posts: 8)

The media are the jerks for making it appear that the CBA was done and just needed to be voted on.

Matthew 07-22-2011 08:48 am xxx.xxx.xxx1.66 (total posts: 2)

I guess that only greed wins. Both sides are jerks equally.

ironduke 07-22-2011 08:47 am xxx.xxx.xxx.169 (total posts: 8)

Why does anyone have to be a jerk? These are business negotiations involving billions of dollars.

Lions fan 1 07-22-2011 08:43 am xxx.xxx.xxx3.44 (total posts: 1)

Just let Martin Mayhew use his Jedi Mind Trick to making the players succomb to his will. Just like he does with other teams when trading: Jerry Jones, Pete Carroll, Mike Holgram, excedra..

Adam C 07-22-2011 08:34 am xxx.xxx.xxx12.4 (total posts: 2)

Apperently the real jerk is Vincent Jackson:
Profootballtalk.com hears the NFLPA is concerned it will be sued if Vincent Jackson does not receive $10 million in compensation once the Brady v. NFL lawsuit is resolved.
Jackson is represented by two of the most aggressive agents in the business, which has apparently factored into the NFLPA's decision to continually push the issue of special considerations. That would explain attorney Jeffrey Kessler's refusal to drop an issue that "continues to be a roadblack" to a settlement.

jmscooby 07-22-2011 08:26 am xxx.xxx.xxx7.54 (total posts: 1)

"F*** you, a**hole, you're not answering because you're a f***ing liar!"

C'mon Walt, stick a bar of soap in that dude's mouth.

Adam C 07-22-2011 08:02 am xxx.xxx.xxx12.4 (total posts: 2)

@Classic Silver and Black,

Have you never heard of the CFL or Arena Football?

Clueless 07-22-2011 07:55 am xxx.xxx.xxx9.66 (total posts: 1)

Players interviewed on Sports show, when asked what are the specific issues holding back the players approval, they don't know. They are just puppets of their leadership. All they are saying is the owners are trying to force them to vote. Don't you think you should know the issues holding up the approval before talking about it with the Media?

Adrian Peterson 07-22-2011 07:47 am xxx.xxx.xxx8.10 (total posts: 1)

The owners want to put us players in chains of oppression! Chains of oppression!

Naw, both sides are jerks, neither care about the fans.

At the moment the players are holding up football, therefore I hate them more. I don't care who wins at this point, I hope they all drown swimming around in their money Scrooge McDuck style.

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