I don't mind the Giants not selecting a quarterback. Why do so if they really don't like any of them, which is what the scuttlebutt happens to be? Not trading down, however, seems like it would be a big mistake, as New York would be able to secure an impressive haul for this pick. I have a Broncos-Giants potential NFL Draft trade posted via the link, for example.
The other part of the rumors regarding this selection is that the Giants will take Saquon Barkley. Perhaps this is a ruse by the front office to get the Browns to trade up from No. 4 to 2, and if so, general manager David Gettleman deserves a ton of credit. However, Gettleman's picks have been telegraphed through the media in the past; everyone knew the Panthers were going to take Christian McCaffrey last year.
If Gettleman was willing to take a runner who can't shoulder a complete workload like McCaffrey at No. 8 overall, he'll certainly be open to take Barkley with the second-overall choice.
*** OTHER 2018 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***
1. Sam Darnold, QB - Everything Gettleman has said during the pre-draft process indicates that he won't select a quarterback, but perhaps he's just a masterful liar. The owners sound like they're pushing for a quarterback.
2. Bradley Chubb, DE - David Gettleman has a history of not trading in the draft, so it seems like the only other option is Chubb.
Rd. 2, Pk. 2
Will Hernandez, G, UTEP
The Giants have used lots of top-30 visits on offensive linemen, and all of them make sense for No. 34 overall. Will Hernandez is the best of the bunch who happens to be available.
Rd. 3, Pk. 2
Josh Sweat, DE/3-4OLB, Florida State
Bradley Chubb has been discussed as an option for the Giants at No. 2 overall. Perhaps they'd take Chubb if the Browns did the sensible thing. However, that's not likely to happen, and the Giants can just obtain a talented edge rusher atop the second or third frame anyway. New York needs one in the wake of Jason Pierre-Paul's departure.
Rd. 3, Pk. 5
Geron Christian, OT, Louisville
Don't be surprised if the Giants don't select multiple offensive linemen on Day 2 of the 2018 NFL Draft, as they need as much blocking help as possible.
Rd. 4, Pk. 8
Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington State
The Giants could double up on edge rushers, as Olivier Vernon may not be on the roster much longer.
Rd. 5, Pk. 2
Deon Cain, WR, Clemson
Brandon Marshall is gone, so even if Odell Beckham Jr. remains with the Giants for a while, the front office will have to obtain another receiver.
The Giants wanted Jack Conklin last year, and he didn't make it to their pick. I think the same thing could happen this year with Garett Bolles. If Bolles is off the board, I think the Giants could look to upgrade their linebackers with a player like Reddick, Jarrad Davis or Zach Cunningham.
I've surveyed sources at teams, and they believe that Reddick will go somewhere in the first round. I personally am skeptical that he should go in Round 1 because he has a grand total of three practices and an exhibition game at his NFL position. I also agree with some scouting sources who believe it is a lot easier to transition by moving closer to the line of scrimmage rather than backing off of it. The position change is why some teams gave Reddick mid-round grades. Still, Reddick has a lot of teams that like him, so he should go in the first round.
Reddick (6-1, 237) was an edge rusher in college who has to move to outside linebacker in the NFL. He showed that he can make that switch at the Senior Bowl as he flew around the field and was constantly around the ball. Still, sources with teams say that Reddick is a real project for the NFL and will take time to develop at linebacker considering he has no game experience there. In 2016, Reddick totaled 65 tackles with 22.5 tackles for a loss, 10.5 sacks, three forced fumbles and three passes broken up. He was an excellent edge rusher, yet there were times where he got destroyed in the ground game.
Rd. 2, Pk. 2
Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
The Giants could use more talent at tight end. Jerry Reese likes freak athletes, and Engram's 4.4 speed as a tight end could be dynamic in New York's offense.
Engram is a dangerous receiving weapon. The 6-foot-3, 236-pounder is a fast, athletic tight end who can hurt defenses vertically. He has the speed to get separation and is dangerous with the ball in his hands. Engram needs to add weight for the next level and get better as a drive blocker, but he already shows good intelligence and effectiveness with cut blocks at the right spot. Engram has a good attitude and tries hard as a blocker.
Engram amassed 65 receptions for 926 yards and eight scores in 2016. Against Florida State and Alabama, he showed that he is a dynamic receiving tight end for the NFL in the mold of Jordan Reed. Engram totaled 120 yards on nine receptions with a touchdown against the Seminoles and nine catches for 138 yards and a score versus the Crimson Tide.
Engram had a slow 2015 with only 38 receptions for 464 yards and two touchdowns. In his first two years, he was excellent for Ole Miss. Engram caught 38 passes for 662 yards with two touchdowns in 2014. He was a dangerous receiving threat who carved up Alabama, Auburn and Mississippi State that season. As a true freshman, he caught 21 passes for 268 yards with three touchdowns.
Rd. 3, Pk. 3
Caleb Brantley, DT/NT, Florida
The Giants could use an interior defender after losing Johnathan Hankins in free agency. Brantley could be a steal.
Brantley totaled 31 tackles with 9.5 for a loss, 2.5 sacks and one forced fumble in 2016. He was very disruptive with his quickness at the point of attack and was superb against Tennessee and Georgia. The 6-foot-3, 307-pounder used his agility to fire through his gap and routinely achieved penetration into the backfield. He is a dangerous interior pass-rusher.
Brantley flashed a lot of disruption at the point of attack as a redshirt sophomore in 2015. He totaled 29 tackles with 6.5 tackles for a loss and three sacks that season. While 6.5 isn't a huge sack total, it is a quality number for an interior defender, and Brantley showed the potential to be a three-down defender in the NFL.
Rd. 4, Pk. 4
Roderick Johnson, OT, Florida State
The Giants get some offensive line competition.
Johnson (6-7, 298) has athletic potential, but he needs a lot of work. He lacks strength and doesn't generate any push in the ground game. Johnson ties up his blocker, but is not a force at the point of attack to push a defender out of their gap. In pass protection, Johnson has the athleticism to protect against speed rushers, but he is weak at blocking inside moves and gets bull rushed too easily. Even undersized speed rushers have success when bull rushing him. Johnson is a finesse player who needs development, but he has natural size and athletic ability to work with.
Rd. 5, Pk. 5
Ben Gedeon, ILB, Michigan
The Giants grab a linebacker to compete.
Rd. 6, Pk. 6
Joe Yearby, RB, Miami
The Giants could use a speed back to pair with a more physical runner.
Rd. 7, Pk. 7
Rashaad Coward, DT, Old Dominion
The Giants grab some interior defensive line depth and hosted Coward on a visit.
Are the G-men going to take a QB? or do they go with Manning?......
I think the answer is, 'both'. There has been a bit of rumor about the G-men taking Barkley. He would really fit their offense perfectly. However, That pick only really makes sense if the Giants are in 'win now or next year' mode. I think this last year has proven that the Giants are in 'do the groundwork to win 2 years from now' mode. if that is the case, then they need to go with a QB to develop behind Manning this year, and start next year. As is the case for the browns, there will be a number of quality backs at the beginning of the 2nd round if that is a priority, but they need to draft a franchise QB while they have the chance.
That being said,.. I think they like Darnold the best. Next on their board is likely Rosen. Though, I can't see Gettlemen truly happy with the idea of an outspoken QB, nor relating very well to a 'millenial' mindset. I can easily imagine Rosen being very good, very effective in the NYG offense. I think it plays to his strengths & minimizes his weaknesses.
The other QB's just don't seem to fit as well. Allen seems more the 'use the long pass to set up the run', and Mayfield seems more of a movement, rollout, run / pass QB. Neither of which really fits NYG.
So, I have to believe the stories about Barkley were just smoke. Chubb doesn't really fit their defense any better than JPP did. If they stay here (and I think they will), they really should go QB,.. and QB is likely Rosen.
Original selection - Josh Rosen - makes the most sense from a system fit & value.
UPDATE<--- OK, I read the article on the interview with Gettlemen after I posted this. I said above that Rosen's outspoken views probably aren't what he wants. He said as much,.. that they like Darnold, but if he isn't available, they would have to go a different direction,... So,.. I am changing this to Barkley. Meaning the G-men will have to look for a QB in the 2nd round.
The Giants should grab their heir apparent to Eli Manning. Manning is a shell of his former self, and New York would be making a terrible decision not to take a potential franchise quarterback when it has a chance. It is reasonable to assume that the organization turned down the trade that the Colts took from the Jets. A team would only really turn down a package of picks that size if that was going to cost it a franchise quarterback. Then, the Giants traded away Jason Pierre-Paul. Actions speak louder than words, and I don't think they would trade a good edge rusher if they were trying to reload and win once more with Manning. To me, these actions say the Giants are going to take a quarterback and have him sit behind Manning for a year or two before taking over the offense.
WalterFootball.com was first to report that Rosen would enter the 2018 NFL Draft, and he made his public announcement in the first week of January. In 2017, Rosen completed 63 percent of his passes for 3,717 yards with 26 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. The junior was up-and-down over the season with highs and lows, including at least one concussion. He had a legendary performance in UCLA's 2017 season opener versus Texas A&M, leading one of the greatest comeback wins in college football history, turning a 44-10 third-quarter deficit into a 45-44 win. <br> <br>
Of the top quarterback prospects for the 2018 NFL Draft, Rosen has the best mechanics and is the most natural pocket passer. He throws a tremendous ball and can really spin it with his powerful arm. Rosen's tight spiral helps him to get his passes through tight windows and beat good coverage. The 6-foot-4, 226-pounder has serious arm talent with field vision and pocket presence. Rosen has well-documented concerns with his intangibles. Team sources told me Rosen made efforts to be a better teammate over the last year and half and showed progress there. Some general managers have told me about their concerns about Rosen being a partier, so he will need to ease some doubts during his pre-draft interviews and visits. There also are durability concerns with Rosen, who missed seven contests over the past two seasons and was knocked out of a few games as well.<br> <br>
Rosen had an impressive debut as a freshman in 2015, completing 60 percent of his passes for 3,670 yards with 23 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. As a sophomore, he completed 59 percent of his passes for 1,915 yards with 10 touchdowns and six interceptions in six games before suffering a season-ending injury.
The Giants should grab their heir apparent to Eli Manning. Manning is a shell of his former self, and New York would be making a terrible decision not to take a potential franchise quarterback when it has a chance. It is reasonable to assume that the Giants followed the Browns' lead and turned down the trade that the Colts took from the Jets. A team would only really turn down a package of picks that size if that was going to cost it a franchise quarterback. Then, the Giants traded away Jason Pierre-Paul. Actions speak louder than words, and I don't think the Giants would trade a good edge rusher if they were trying to reload and win once more with Manning. To me, these actions say the Giants are going to take a quarterback and have him sit behind Manning for a year or two before taking over the offense. I think Dave Gettleman is a no-nonsense kind of guy and will be more comfortable with Darnold than Josh Rosen. Additionally, there has been a lot of media hype that Darnold is the Giants' preferred quarterback. If I change the first pick to Darnold, then I will probably make this pick Saquon Barkley. <br> <br>
Another reason why Darnold or a quarterback makes more sense is the money involved. If the Giants take Saquon Barkley, he immediately becomes the running back with the largest guaranteed money in the NFL, around $30 million. A quarterback on a rookie contract, on the other hand, is a huge cost savings. Eventually, I think New York signs Odell Beckham Jr. to an extension. He's too good to get rid of. If the Giants took Barkley they would have the most guaranteed money in the NFL at running back and wide receiver. They need a long-term trigger man to get the most out of Beckham.
Darnold (6-3, 221) is an accurate passer without an elite skill set, but he has developed good anticipation, feel and timing. Darnold is a rhythm thrower who would fit best in a West Coast system to maximize his ability to throw accurately in the short to intermediate part of the field. He also can throw accurately on the run. Routinely, Darnold can use his feet to buy time while keeping his eyes downfield and delivering accurate passes while under pressure. In every game at USC, Darnold would make some impressive throws that were very rare for a college quarterback. <br> <br>
In 2017, Darnold completed 63 percent of his passes for 4,143 yards with 26 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. He did have problems with interceptions and fumbles in his final collegiate season. A general manager, who scouted Darnold in person during 2017, told me that they like the "it factor" that Darnold displays. That general manager thinks there's nothing wrong with Darnold's throwing motion or arm strength, and that Darnold has some similarities to Philip Rivers. Darnold completed 67 percent of his passes in 2016 for 3,086 yards with 31 touchdowns and nine interceptions.
Giants trade #12, #53, and #139 (1606 points) to Colts for #6 (1600 points)
Why this trade makes sense for the Giants: They Giants trade from #2 down to #12, back up to #6. It cost them the 2nd round pick they got from the Bills and 5th round pick. They gain a 1st round pick and the first pick in the 3rd round. So in summary they lose a 5th round pick and gain a 1st and a high 3rd for moving down four spots from their original selection.
The Giants arguably get the guy they would have drafted at #2 all along. I believe it probably would have been Barkley, but Gettleman will gladly take Chubb, #22, and #65 instead. He is more than happy doing this because he will be able to get Barkley, Chubb or Nelson. Gettleman likes to build through the trenches. JPP is gone now and they need and edge rusher for their new defense.
The Giants upgrade their offense with a feature back. <br> <br>
Guice is averaging 5.5 yards per carry in 2017, totaling 1,026 yards with 01 touchdowns so far. He has 14 catches for 82 yards as well, but LSU doesn't really use its backs in the passing game. For a lot of this season, Guice has been slowed down by a knee injury.<br> <br>
With Leonard Fournette in and out of the lineup with an ankle injury in 2016, Guice (5-11, 212) took advantage of a larger than expected workload to have a breakout season. As a sophomore, he averaged 7.6 yards per carry for 1,387 yards with 15 touchdowns. Guice had nine receptions for 106 yards as well. He put together some massive games that season with 252 yards versus Arkansas and 285 yards rushing against Texas A&M.
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Rd. 1, Pk. 2
Saquon Barkley, RB
I can't fault the Giants for selecting the best player in this class. Saquon Barkley is a terrific talent, and he's not just a running back. He's going to transform New York's offense, much like Marshall Faulk did with the Rams in 1999. He's that special.
So, why the B-? The Giants had an opportunity to trade down. Normally, teams will be chided for not doing so, but they sometimes can't find trading partners. The Giants had them. They could have moved down to acquire more draft capital, which they need when considering all of the holes on their roster. Eschewing that possibility is a mistake.
That said, I don't want to criticize the Giants too hard because I can understand how difficult it is to pass on someone like Barkley.
Rd. 2, Pk. 2
Will Hernandez, G
Will Hernandez is a terrific pick to open the second round for the Giants. Hernandez is someone who easily could've been chosen in the early 20s. He slipped to the second round, but the Giants aren't complaining. They desperately needed offensive linemen, especially in the wake of Justin Pugh's departure. Hernandez will be able to open up huge running lanes for Saquon Barkley.
Rd. 3, Pk. 2
Lorenzo Carter, 3-4OLB/OLB
This should be considered a steal. Lorenzo Carter could've gone in the second round, so the Giants did well by staying patient and securing him atop Round 3. The one concern with Carter is his medical issue, but if he can remain healthy, he'll be a very productive edge rusher in New York's new 3-4 scheme.
Rd. 3, Pk. 5
B.J. Hill, DT/3-4DE/NT
A big, run-stuffing nose tackle absolutely makes sense for the Giants, who continue to add new personnel for their 3-4 scheme. I had Hill late in the second frame, so this makes sense from a range persepctive. New York seems to be having a strong draft thus far.
Rd. 4, Pk. 8
Kyle Lauletta, QB
I don't understand why Kyle Lauletta wasn't selected on Day 2. He easily could've been taken on Day 2, and it could be argued that he's the fifth-best quarterback in the class. Kyle Lauletta could definitely replace Eli Manning in a year or two and become a solid starter in the NFL.
Rd. 5, Pk. 2
R.J. McIntosh, DT/3-4DE
General manager Dave Gettleman strikes gold again. R.J. McIntosh was a very disruptive interior presence for Miami last season, and he could've been taken a round or two earlier. He's a nice fit as a five-technique in the Giants' new 3-4 scheme.